120721 Lisi wrote: > I was at a local LUG meeting today Is it out of order to ask which city it meets in ? > and was very distressed that the above view should be expressed forcefully. It sounds like a few trolls trying to provoke an argument. Certainly, it's not the view of the vast majority of free-software users. > I am a congenital maverick. I claim the right to remain a maverick > and to swim against the tide as much as I like! You don't have to be a maverick to want to go on using KDE3 = Trinity. I was a long-time user of KDE 3 , tried the KDE 4.x desktop once, took another look at Fluxbox & found it a good enough substitute & have been using it ever since. At that time, it looked as if KDE 3 would disappear altogether: Trinity hadn't started. Since then, I've adopted a number of KDE4 apps, eg Gwenview + Okular, but continue to want to use 3 KDE3 apps, which KDE4 doesn't have: hence my subscribing to this list a few days ago & asking for advice. I can certainly understand others wanting to use the whole KDE3 desktop. As a Gentoo user since 2003, I'm on the fringe of Linux orthodoxy, but like other Gentoo users, I would never go back to a binary distro: the freedom to install just what I want & configure it how I want is much too important for comfort & for productivity. Any chance there's a Trinity supporter prepared to make it available for Gentoo ? PS many years ago cities Worldwide wiped out their tram systems & a lot of them built networks of urban expressways (motorways); they soon found that the latter clogged up with traffic, while downtown neighbourhoods deteriorated into slums. Toronto & a few other cities stopped expressway building in time & spent the money on renewing their street railways: here at least, we still have healthy safe downtown neighbourhoods. Nowadays increasingly, cities Worldwide are installing light rail lines in an attempt to revive their central areas & relieve auto congestion. That's a parallel with the GUI + touchscreen fad now in vogue in contrast to the traditional CLI + keyboard method of using computers. -- ========================,,============================================ SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca