It makes the TDE community look bad (and certainly not inviting to growing our ranks) when it is so popular to be hostile towards anything other than TDE.  You expect there to be a few jerks in any community, but when the jerk percentage gets too high, you're keeping others away.  The community won't grow. 

I'm not talking about being opinionated.  Probably everyone here is pretty opinionated about software freedom, & other unrelated things.  I'm talking about coming off as a jerk.

I realize, we'll probably  just end up agreeing to disagree about all of this, but this stuff seems pretty obvious to me.



On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Felmon Davis <davisf@...> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013, C W wrote:

Also, statements in this thread like "the abortion known as KDE4" doesn't
sound to me like it was made with good intentions.

I can't imagine why not. the poster is giving a strong warning, no ill intent there. some will judge the warning exaggerated, some judge it apt.

just seems like there are just different standards of rhetoric. people express themselves differently.

anyway, I am interested in the discussion of the relative merits of the two or so approaches, especially if it goes into specifics.


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:35 AM, C W <elcaseti@...> wrote:

One thing I would like to point out is that the TDE project wouldn't exist
without the KDE project.  Can't we give the KDE project at least a little
credit as having created KDE 3 so that TDE could be forked?



On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:23 AM, Felmon Davis <davisf@...> wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013, C W wrote:

 I had no idea the TDE community was this hostile.  Like some other folks
here, I love both TDE & KDE4.  They have different strengths.  You don't
have to only use one & say the other sucks.  That's childish.



from my point of view it is to be expected that people have strong
opinions about such matters, including that this or that "sucks", nothing
childish about it depending on their reasons.

however I think we should make sure that in the expression of opinions we
don't attack individuals whose opinions differ. I'm not sure that's been
done yet but maybe approaching the margins.

I find the discussion interesting and informative. as far as I can see,
the intentions certainly are good and if there are good questions and good
answers, who's the loser?



On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda@...>

 On 2013-02-24 20:32 (GMT-0500) Alexandre Couture composed:

 An example of a feature added to TDE that was not in KDE 3.5.10 is the

compositor. Has it broken all TDE and maked the users all upside down
what your are doing right now? Of course, not at all. It was just a
addition to TDE and some persons have worked hard to implement it, so
should all thank those who want to improve TDE in any way.

"Nice addition" is your opinion. How is compositing not bling or bloat?
It's incorporation in early KDE4 releases was a big reason I didn't even
like to sample them.
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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