On Sunday 14 April 2013 13:06:19 dep wrote:
> said Alexandre Couture:
> | Hi everyone!
> |
> | In the trinity-devel mailing list, there is a nst about keeping or
> | removing the Kick-Off launcher. Here is a part of what is written:
> |
> | Timothy Pearson wrote:
> | >> A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's unlikely
> | >> that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of trinity and port
> | >> the cool features of kickoff into the original kicker panel, if there
> | >> are any.
> | >
> | > I would need a list of any improvements in Kickoff that are not in
> | > Kicker. Copious amounts of whitespace around each widget is not
> | > considered an improvement. ;-)  Perhaps you could gather information
> | > from list members on why they use Kickoff vs. Kicker?
> |
> | Francois Andriot wrote:
> | >Hello, I'm always using Kickoff menu instead of Kicker, so I would'nt
> | >like it to be removed.
> | >I currently have no problem with it.
> | >
> | >
> | >Here are some reasons:
> | >- I prefer having separate tabs for favorites/all
> | >applications/Computer/History , instead of having a single huge menu
> | >with many submenus.
> | >- I prefer the search feature of Kickoff, which displays immediatly the
> | >icon of the app I'm searching. In kicker, the search feature justs
> | > grays out the directories, but I still have to browse the tree to find
> | > the application I want. When the application list is very long, it is
> | > still not very convenient.
> | >- I like the way applications are shown in menu: a "big" icon,
> | >application name written with big letters, application summary with
> | >small letters. So there is no confusion between application name and
> | >application summary.
> | >
> | >Maybe we should just ship Kickoff as a separate application, like kbfx
> | > ?
> |
> | I have the same point of view as Francois Andriot on that and I can even
> | add:
> |
> | -Kick-Off is as fast as though. If the program I want to launch is Gimp,
> | I click on the start menu, I write ''gim'' on the keyboard and a menu
> | with ''Gimp'' already highlighted appear. I just have to press enter.
> | Otherwise, in the classic menu, I would have to find the ''Graphics''
> | menu and I would need to read all the names of every programs in the
> | list before I can see ''Gimp'' in the list. And everybody here knows
> | that TDE comes with plenty of programs, so depending of what you are
> | looking for, the menu can be long... We use search engines to find what
> | we want on the Web, but it wouldn't be a good idea on your computer?
> |
> | -Having a little summary of what the programs are is much more intuitive
> | than having to start it, to see what it is. It is just more simple for
> | users coming from Windows.
> |
> | -On my little Asus EEE, with a screen resolution of 800x480, the
> | Kick-off is just the right size, where on the classic start menu, often
> | a sub-menu takes all the screen and many columns, and it gets just
> | confusing and harder to find what you are looking for.
> |
> | -I just don't get the point of users telling everywhere on this mailing
> | list that NOTHING should change in TDE incomparison with KDE 3.5.10 and
> | every single bit should stay identical, but the Kick-Off should be
> | dropped. It is the same thing with Dolphin. Those are 2 KDE3 programs,
> | it is not because they also exists in KDE4 that they are evil.
> |
> | If the Kick-Off is to be dropped one day or another, would it be at
> | least possible to implement the search feature of the classic start menu
> | in a more efficient way?
> |
> | Just my opinion...
> | -Alexandre
>
> My opinion of Kickoff is so strong that I had to Google it to see what it
> was. After having done so, I realized that it was one of the reasons I
> stuck with KDE-3.x and now TDE, it being one of those "we did it because
> we can" features that demonstrate that KDE was done, design-wise, in 3.x
> that, in keeping with KDE's "we know what's best and you don't" design
> philosophy.

Same here.

> If there is fervent support for this among TDE users, might it best be a
> separate and optional package? Then those who want it may have it and
> those who don't won't need to carry it around.

This has come up before, and is clearly one of the features of KDE 4 that 
Alexandre likes.  But please, please, please if you do implement this in TDE, 
let it be a voluntary package that can be added on later, not a default that 
at best one can deinstall.

Dolphin too I think of as KDE4.  Again, please if you decide that it should be 
available in TDE, make it an available package, not a part of the default 
installation.

> (Likewise, the best I can tell entirely useless plymouthd! Maybe somebody
> wants it, but I don't and would love to learn how to cast it into the
> abyss forever.)

I am not saying this because I want TDE to be frozen in time.  I am more than 
glad to see it developing and evolving.  But these are two of the things that 
I most disliked about KDE4.  I use TDE because I dislike KDE4, and although  
I do not dislike every available alternative, I just can't find one that I 
like as much as KDE3.

I used KDE from KDE 3.1 onwards.  It changed considerable over that time.  But 
it evolved.  It wasn't thrown away with the bath water and started anew.

Lisi