@ Felix, thanks again for your thoughts. your point, about "crafting" is well taken and I have to admit I do to a certain extent agree with you. Also RedHat, as you point out, does have immense power in the Linux ecosystem and, in my own not so humble personal opinion, this is not a good thing.

@ Lisi, I try to post what I know, if I am wrong I am happy to be pointed in the right direction.

My gut feeling with the Debian vote is Garbee voted systemd to limit Canonical's influence on Debian. I may be wrong and I hope I am wrong. I personally didn't mind upstart but in various things I have read over the years it seems to me that it was only ever going to be a stopgap measure as the code is apparently very untidy and it didn't improve the basic init system.