On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:49:11AM -0400, Alexandre wrote: > As a linux user, I'd say that the init system, as long as it works as > it should and it gets you to your TDE desktop, is not a big matter to > the end-user. There's the rub -- does systemd work *as it should*? I don't think so. I'm not an expert, but the systems administrators I work with have nothing but scorn for systemd. They're not all old Linux grey-beards either, in fact the ones who hate systemd the most are the young guys. > Also, do you remember how linux was almost as long to boot > than to shut down? *shrug* I don't care too much. It would be nice if my Raspberry Pi would boot up a bit quicker, but my other Linux systems -- a server and two desktops -- are on virtually 24/7 for months at a time. I don't care if they take a couple of minutes to boot up, because I only do so maybe once every six months. (And if I had a UPS at home, it would be less than that.) As an end-user, what really concerns me about systemd that it apparently turns it into Windows: every software update requires a reboot. If true, that is, frankly, disgraceful and inexcusable. Windows has 10 or 15 years of history locking them into that behaviour. What's systemd's excuse? -- Steven