On Wednesday 19 November 2014 23:30:05 Michael . wrote:
> With regards to me filing a bug report for you I am willing to do that for
> you.First there must be an understanding between us, if I do post a bug
> report you must, and I do mean must, follow through with it. You are the
> person having difficulty not me so if I spend my time helping you and you
> do not help me to help you then it will just be a complete waste of my
> time. If you are willing to help with a bug report send me an email with
> all the relevant information.

You are not filing a bug report for me.  You are filing it for you.  You are 
the one who is going on about bug reports being filed to help the developers.  
I am not using Mint/MATE, and have no intention of doing so just because it 
is so dear to your heart.

> With regards this being ad hominem I feel that is a cop out. You bagged an
> inanimate thing saying it was "awful" yet you are now suggesting my replies
> are ad hominem. I'm not attacking you 

You could have fooled me!!!

> I am pointing out that so far you 
> have bagged something that cannot do anything for itself and you have not
> done anything to help it.

Why should I?  I have no duty to help MATE just because I dislike it.  Rather 
the opposite I would have thought.  There are loads of projects out there.  
You seem to be saying that I have a duty to help every one.

> You also forget we both have visual impairments 
> and that is one of the reasons I am willing to help you to help something
> that is incapable of helping itself but requires users to let the
> developers know what the problems are so they can do something about it.

I'm quite happy just not to use it.  You apparently are not.  It is up to the 
developers whether they want to do something about it.  They show no sign of 
doing so.

I wish that people wouldn't try to "help" me by trying to force me to use 
something I don't want to use.

This is just getting silly.  I owe MATE nothing.  I wish that I had never gone 
anywhere near it.  I should have looked at Cinnamon if I wanted to look at 
either.

The silliest thing of all is that I strongly suspect that most of what I 
dislike is in fact due to Mint.

Lisi