On Monday 05 October 2015 22:11:47 Timothy Pearson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA224 > > > Having had a very frustrating time trying to install r14 on a new > > install, when I finally succeeded I went to bed. But next morning I came > > to update my > > desktop - 3.5.13.2 - and couldn't. See the error message above. I am > > trying > > to proseletise TDE, but I can't when installation and updating are so > > horribly unreliable. I convert people, and they say how lovely it is. > > Start > > using it. Hit problems installing and updating and run away again. > > > > The over-riding problem is that only you have ever run a reliable > > repository > > ever since I have used TDE. > > In that case why don't you simply pick a mirror and use it? From what you > are saying any of the mirrors would be infinitely more reliable than the > main site, so I would strongly suggest doing so. That is what I have always done and is where we came in. The mirror I had used for some time had become unreliable and I was looking to change. I asked on the list about mirrors and Mike said that I should use the redirector. I have now (after the recent conversation about how to chose a mirror) reset my sources.list to use a named mirror. So I was only off a named site for six days. But that is not what your site says to do, and I did not find the mirrors easy to find. So it doesn't help with converts. > > And we keep being directed to the pearson computing site because it will > > direct us to the best mirror, but it doesn't. How the United States > > lives with its rotten infrastructure beats me. I suppose it is used to > > it, as we > > are to our overcrowded roads and ancient train system. > > Well, our roads are crumbling and our train system is truly ancient, not > to mention our atrocious public transport (where you take your life in > your hands just to travel). What's really frustrating is the lack of > proper Internet service on top of all that. _And_ you get bad weather. :-( > > > Google doesn't attempt to rely on the States: > > > > <quote> > > Google data center locations. If you include data centers that are under > > construction, Google has 19 locations in the US where they operate data > > centers, 12 in Europe, one in Russia, one in South America, and three in > > Asia. > > </quote> > > Google is a multi-billion dollar business that makes money off of selling > your private data to third parties. Are you saying I can start selling > any data I glean from your private systems for my own profit? (NOTE: I > don't do that, and in fact technically _can't_ do that, however the point > on the differing business models is very real and valid.) There is a BIG > difference between grassroots open source (as TDE is) and large > corporation-sponsored "open source" -- the latter works very rarely in the > public interest, and at least in the US is almost always funded by some > not so savory business practices. Even the Linux kernel has some issues > due to its corporate sponsorship; it will never be relicensed as GPLv3 > even though over time it is expected that most people will lose the > ability to modify the kernel running on their systems as a result. Scary > stuff! Yes, that is all valid. I was making one point only - that servers based in the United States are unreliable. Not that Google is a model to copy. > > Please, please, please can the main public facing stuff be somewhere > > else? > > If you read my prior Email you would know that it _will_ be placed > somewhere else, in 3 - 6 months. No, I meant somewhere outside the United States. Though any improvement is greatly welcomed. > In the meantime Slavek and I are working > on a way to mitigate the access issues for certain services, although this > is being done at the expense of security (watch your apt-get output > carefully everyone, and make sure the GPG keys are valid....) So can they at least please be on reliable servers? And could you spoon-feed us and give us actual addresses? Thank you for everything you do, Tim. I'm sorry that I can't help more. But it is not obvious to me what I could do. Proselytising is obviously counter-productive. And I help on the list where I can, but that isn't much. Lisi > Tim > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iFYEARELAAYFAlYS55IACgkQLaxZSoRZrGHUmwDgppnyuWJA7WsGNnwqfdaR/pE+ > 0SYO09cSvZQAkwDfQZNDSPLFp/oaytvkQ7TX6swGOuttds9IF3+yGQ== > =SU0o > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > trinity-users-unsubscribe@... For additional > commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@... Read list > messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ > Please remember not to top-post: > http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting