On Monday 05 October 2015 23:10:40 Mike Bird wrote: > It's a business decision where you put your office, what bandwidth > you buy, which servers you run in house, which you put in data > centers, and which you put on VPSs. And no matter what Tim chooses > I doubt TDE is bringing in even fraction of what Tim spends on TDE > for us. Of course. No-one queries that. And those of you who live in the USA are stuck with what it offers. Most of you like it. But the Internet infrastructure is very poor, and is obviously even worse than I realised. I knew that Tim had problems, and that the Internet in the USA is awful, but DSL - ouch! We have a few farmers having to manage on dial-up still, and even the government has woken up and is doing something because it causes them such problems. But they have cows not server farms. It comes from being early adopters. We anglophones are stuck in the past. I've just been looking up DS3, which I didn't know. I knew that the Internet provision in the USA was bad, but I hadn't realised how bad. I could have this: https://www.zen.co.uk/business/ Zen is my ISP. They have checked my line and said that I would actually get 78 meg. But I am getting 20 meg for £18 a month including tax, for more bandwidth than I use, so I can't justify the price hike to myself now I am more or less retired. And the UK is bad in Internet terms. (That is expensive in UK terms, because it is good in UK terms.) And I am in a rural area. As you say of the US, it is better in large urban areas. At this time of night (23:46) I can't find out what this costs: https://www.zen.co.uk/business/leased-lines-and-ipvpn/leased-lines.aspx#additional-information Wouldn't you rather change busines or emigrate Tim? You really are up against it. Can we not get TDE hosted pro bono by somebody good in a good country for connection? Lisi