On Saturday 14 November 2015 17:01:47 Kate Draven wrote: > On Saturday 14 November 2015, Nick Koretsky wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:14:10 -0500 > > > > Gene Heskett <gheskett@...> wrote: > > > Greetings; > > > > > > Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the > > > machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail > > > showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be > > > greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin > > > forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up > > > cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, > > > but the process itself was unkillable. > > > > > > This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a > > > sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply > > > messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up. > > > > > > This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a > > > terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a > > > terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation > > > (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup > > > program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. > > > (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical > > > monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long > > > it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them > > > here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything > > > smaller. > > > > > > I deleted the last 4 messages from him from > > > ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be > > > going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time > > > I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder > > > (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. > > > That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted > > > on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be > > > resumed. > > > > > > Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix > > > kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted > > > webmail app? > > > > > > This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a > > > day back. > > > Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in > > > the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell. > > > > Thats weird. Generally speaking the process cannot become unkillable > > due to error in a program itself, thats only happens if it stuck in > > the system call. So i suspect problems with disk/fs or maybe a > > faulty network card driver. > > That makes sense. I'd do an HD check with the maker's tool CD. > Make sure to run a SMART check as, silent HD hang ups are often > electronic rather than mechanical. > > If it's a desktop, swap out the nic. Nic is on the mobo, and works fine. Smartctl is running and has no complaints. The local network problem turned out to be one of my cnc machines, crashed & wouldn't even post, until I played with rocking the Dimms around. Been fine since. I spent the afternoon carving Mahogany with it. > Good luck > > Kate > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > trinity-users-unsubscribe@... For additional > commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@... Read > list messages on the web archive: > http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to > top-post: > http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>