On Saturday 19 December 2015 10:16:51 Michele Calgaro wrote: > On 12/19/2015 02:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Your idea of the word majority is miss-applied in the modern linux > > world. Root password usage is pretty well deprecated by most > > distro's today, using sudo instead, even in wheezy which is > > considered elderly these days. > > You are probably right on this, I agree. Now I see the point you were > trying to make. I will discuss with Slavek, see what he thinks too. > Cheers > Michele I should also add that synaptic is in this same boat, and that until I discovered synaptic-pkexec from a cli, which uses sudo to get its rights, I was locked out of using the best package manager ever. update-manager is nice, and it runs well with a sudo, but it cannot add a new package one might need. adept, with its fugly ncurses gui that is so easily destroyed, could probably be used by someone familiar with the ncurses idiosynchrocies I suppose, but ncurses has had 20 years to grow a screen refresh and hasn't done it yet. mc, if ncurses grew a screen refresh would be hands down the best file manager ever. krusader looks nice, but is impotent. As it is, the only way to refresh mc is to quit it and restart it. That leaves synaptic as a universal package manager, which because of its x integration cannot be run as root (can't access the display as root) but sudo the pkexec wrapper and its beautifull. And I just edited the menu item so it can be run from the menu. Except it doesn't run at all now, and logs no errors. But it still works from the cli. Take out the single quotes the editor so helpfully added, and it runs, but takes the newly added root pw. Can we get any more confused? Doubtful. There are no doubt several other "system set it once and forget it" things, but those are a few of the things that bug me weekly if not more often. Thanks Michele Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Some mill pix are at: Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>