On Saturday 19 December 2015 13:55:41 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 19 December 2015 08:12:09 Michele Calgaro wrote:
> > On 2015/12/19 11:21 AM, Rolf Schmidt wrote:
> > > You missed the point, it demands a root pw, that on this wheezy
> > > system,
> > >
> > >> does not exist, so it cannot be launched from the menu entry by any
> > >> pw entered.  The pw used for doing a sudo is not accepted.  That
> > >> was my point.
> >
> > Again, I see nothing wrong on a general basis.
> > If you are root (yes, not recommended I know) there is no problem to
> > run ksysv at all. If you are a standard user, you type in the root
> > password and everything works.
> >
> > If your setup does not use a root password or you do not have access
> > to such password, you have the choice to edit the menu and remove the
> > ksysv entry.
>
> debian wheezy has never had a root passwd known to the user.

Rubbish!  Rubbish!  Rubbish!  Debian has always had a root password.  If you 
haven't got one it is because you aren't using a Wheezy but a CNC or soethnig 
one. Debian _has_ started giving the option at install tine of not having one 
if you don't want one instead of imposing one on you, but basically Wheezy 
has a root password.

> Unless they 
> follow Nik's proceedure to reset it. It does exist, but is not known to
> the first user, so there rather effectively is not one as far as that
> first user who has sudo rights is concerned.

Rubbish again.

> > IMHO, the menu entry is fine as it is now since it will work as
> > expected for the majority of the users.
>
> Your idea of the word majority is miss-applied in the modern linux world.
> Root password usage is pretty well deprecated by most distro's today,

You are using Debian.  It is not deprecated.  IMHO this no root password 
business is part of the creeping Ubuntuisation.

> using sudo instead, even in wheezy 

Sorry, Gene, but rubbish!

> which is considered elderly these 
> days.
>
> > Unconventional setups will
> > need special handling for this type of problem. Just my 2 cents

Quite Michele.  The Debian/TDE combination norm for a setup is to have a root 
password.  It is not as though those who insist on being different cannot 
sort it out easily, as you have Gene.  But you could always have used Ubuntu, 
which does have sudo for the first user by default.  <shudder>

Lisi.