On Sunday 20 December 2015 07:54:59 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Am Samstag, 19. Dezember 2015 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> > On Saturday 19 December 2015 13:55:41 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 19 December 2015 08:12:09 Michele Calgaro wrote:
> > > > On 2015/12/19 11:21 AM, Rolf Schmidt wrote:
> > > > > You missed the point, it demands a root pw, that on this wheezy
> > > > > system,
> > > > >
> > > > >> does not exist, so it cannot be launched from the menu entry by
> > > > >> any pw entered.  The pw used for doing a sudo is not accepted. 
> > > > >> That was my point.
> > > >
> > > > Again, I see nothing wrong on a general basis.
> > > > If you are root (yes, not recommended I know) there is no problem to
> > > > run ksysv at all. If you are a standard user, you type in the root
> > > > password and everything works.
> > > >
> > > > If your setup does not use a root password or you do not have access
> > > > to such password, you have the choice to edit the menu and remove the
> > > > ksysv entry.
> > >
> > > debian wheezy has never had a root passwd known to the user.
> >
> > Rubbish!  Rubbish!  Rubbish!  Debian has always had a root password.  If
> > you haven't got one it is because you aren't using a Wheezy but a CNC or
> > soethnig one. Debian _has_ started giving the option at install tine of
> > not having one if you don't want one instead of imposing one on you, but
> > basically Wheezy has a root password.
> >
> > > Unless they
> > > follow Nik's proceedure to reset it. It does exist, but is not known to
> > > the first user, so there rather effectively is not one as far as that
> > > first user who has sudo rights is concerned.
> >
> > Rubbish again.
> >
> > > > IMHO, the menu entry is fine as it is now since it will work as
> > > > expected for the majority of the users.
> > >
> > > Your idea of the word majority is miss-applied in the modern linux
> > > world. Root password usage is pretty well deprecated by most distro's
> > > today,
> >
> > You are using Debian.  It is not deprecated.  IMHO this no root password
> > business is part of the creeping Ubuntuisation.
> >
> > > using sudo instead, even in wheezy
> >
> > Sorry, Gene, but rubbish!
> >
> > > which is considered elderly these
> > > days.
> > >
> > > > Unconventional setups will
> > > > need special handling for this type of problem. Just my 2 cents
> >
> > Quite Michele.  The Debian/TDE combination norm for a setup is to have a
> > root password.  It is not as though those who insist on being different
> > cannot sort it out easily, as you have Gene.  But you could always have
> > used Ubuntu, which does have sudo for the first user by default. 
> > <shudder>
> >
> > Lisi.
>
> Hi Lisi!
>
> Genes problem is indeed a problem of the linuxcnc live cd, which was
> formerly based on ubuntu but is now on wheezy. Somebody on the assembly
> line liked sudo better than su, which is quite funny. Now when Gene uses
> the linuxcnc livesystem (or that installed on a disk) he ends up with
> wheezy+ubuntu "make it esy"-stuff aka xfcs/sudo/systemd etc, which makes
> things qute interesting when you leave the red flaged paths. On the other
> hand, you can install linuxcnc on top of wheezy without that clutter, but
> you'll need to know where to go :-)
>
> Nik

Thanks, Nik!

Lisi