On Sunday 20 December 2015 15:12:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> IMO a separate package should not be needed. To that end, if the package
> asks for a pw, and gets the 1st users pw as a response, it should be
> happy and run. There is little or no difference between root and 1st
> user as 1st user is generally the one who originally setup the system
> and should know it well.

That is what Ubuntu users think, Gene.  But Ubuntu is available, as is TDE for 
Ubuntu..

> I was not aware, until this discussion, that debian did setup a root
> passwd, I had assumed that the buntu's inherited the sudo requirement
> from debian. 

No, it created it and the infection is spreading into Debian, on the whole 
from Ubuntu users who switch.  (Like you.)

> I've one other machine that is running a 14.04 lubuntu 
> LTS, my lappy, and you have my curiosity piqued now, so its booting.
> That takes a while as it seems to be convinced it must do an fsck
> everytime it boots, on a 100 gig drive.  And that transition to sudo for
> everything is complete, there is not a passwd hash in the /etc/shadow
> file for root.
>
> It probably needs an update session so we'll see what synaptic wants to
> install. 4 new packages, 52 to be upgraded. It was last done a couple
> weeks ago, so the packagers have been busy.  Updates I see include bind9
> and grub plus a grocery list of other stuff. A new kernel too IIRC.
>
> So I am learning a bit, and now don't feel so crippled at having to use a
> root pw for some stuff. It was actually expected if it was pure debian.

Quite!!  And some of us really want it. ;-)

Lisi