On Sunday 20 December 2015 10:49:56 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 20 December 2015 15:12:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > IMO a separate package should not be needed. To that end, if the
> > package asks for a pw, and gets the 1st users pw as a response, it
> > should be happy and run. There is little or no difference between
> > root and 1st user as 1st user is generally the one who originally
> > setup the system and should know it well.
>
> That is what Ubuntu users think, Gene.  But Ubuntu is available, as is
> TDE for Ubuntu..
>
> > I was not aware, until this discussion, that debian did setup a root
> > passwd, I had assumed that the buntu's inherited the sudo
> > requirement from debian.
>
> No, it created it and the infection is spreading into Debian, on the
> whole from Ubuntu users who switch.  (Like you.)
>
> > I've one other machine that is running a 14.04 lubuntu
> > LTS, my lappy, and you have my curiosity piqued now, so its booting.
> > That takes a while as it seems to be convinced it must do an fsck
> > everytime it boots, on a 100 gig drive.  And that transition to sudo
> > for everything is complete, there is not a passwd hash in the
> > /etc/shadow file for root.
> >
> > It probably needs an update session so we'll see what synaptic wants
> > to install. 4 new packages, 52 to be upgraded. It was last done a
> > couple weeks ago, so the packagers have been busy.  Updates I see
> > include bind9 and grub plus a grocery list of other stuff. A new
> > kernel too IIRC.
> >
> > So I am learning a bit, and now don't feel so crippled at having to
> > use a root pw for some stuff. It was actually expected if it was
> > pure debian.
>
> Quite!!  And some of us really want it. ;-)
>
> Lisi
>
TBT Lisi, it has been handy here, even if I too failed to grok the reason 
for it years ago when the *buntu's first started it. Like most, if I set 
a root pw, it is going to be a considerably longer, mixed case and 
alphanumeric string I can remember. Let them spend a few hundred years 
using a dictionary attack at 10x/second being the operative theory...  
That MIGHT get them thru the router, but then they have to get to the 
machines.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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