On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
> > protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik,  vpn secures the
> > mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc.
> > Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
> >
> > $.02
> > Greg Madden
>
> Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain
> than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g.
> sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten
> me more than once... (see, I have still one foot left for standing :-) )
>
> Nik

I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than they 
can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my chances with 
rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose that privacy and 
security can be bought. 

There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will always 
be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and cracking tools 
also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope for relative success, 
to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't imagine that I am 
invisible. 

Bill