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Re: [trinity-users] TDE installed, LXDE not installed. LXDE launches. TDE will not launch. ?????

From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@...>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 11:18:51 +0100
On Monday 30 March 2015 10:27:41 Felix Miata wrote:
> Lisi Reisz composed on 2015-03-30 09:53 (UTC+0100):
> > Felix Miata wrote:
> >> Lisi Reisz composed on 2015-03-29 22:11 (UTC+0100):
> >> > a)  This time, I shall uninstall LXDE as soon as I have TDE up and
> >> > running. Ditto I shall uninstall lightdm as soon as I have tdm.  I
> >> > have to have a configurable terminal emulator to install TDE, or I
> >> > would install without a DE and put just TDE on in the first place.
> >>
> >> What stops you from not installing LXDE in the first place?
> >
> > <quote from above>
> >  I have to have a configurable terminal emulator to install TDE, or I
> > would install without a DE and put just TDE on in the first place.
> > </quote>
> That fact was clear, yet deficient. What exactly makes you need a
> configurable terminal emulator?

So I can configure it.  I know that the console can be configured, though I am 
not very good at it, but I need to be able to see the text in order to edit 
the file in order to configure it.  And it can only b e limitedly configured.
> >> Are you unable
> >> to function on tty[1-6] in 80x25 mode (with no DE installed)?
> >
> > On this television, I can't really see well enough to trouble shoot
> > without a DE until I have managed to edit the console display, let alone
> > edit my sources list and install anything.  So no, I am not able to
> > function on tty[1-6] with no DE installed.
> If you can't see well enough due to lack of adequate size, is it that you
> don't know how to acquire adequate size? Text on a TV screen be made
> seriouslly big.

Yes, I know.  But it isn't by default.  I have to configure it. Edit the file. 
And I can't see well enough in the default to configure anything.  I can't 
actually see what I am typing at all because it is beyond the border.

> >> [1] included on installation cmdline: tasks="standard" vga=791
> >> video=1024x768@60
> >
> > The required resolution depends surely on the monitor one is using?
> Absolutely. The question is what's required for you, bigger text, bigger
> screen, bigger both? 1024x768 is a low res mode supported on some pretty
> big screens. Text 14pt & up is readily doable. Lower resolution still means
> bigger yet text. 80x25 on a TV screen can produce seriously large text.

Yes, I know.  But it needs configuring.  It isn't like that by default.

I thought 80x25 just alter4d the width of the columns.  This time it is I who 
do not understand/know enough.

> > If I could see well enough to do so on the machine in question, attached
> > to my TV, I would do so.  But I can't.  So I do an install with LXDE (I
> > can see the installer if I go close to the TV), configure the terminal
> > emulator, and install TDE.  Which I can configure to make it visible (all
> > but the Google Chrome address bar), which is why I like it.  Which is why
> > I use it in the first place.
> What is it that the TE does that helps?

I can configure it.

> > My present trouble shooting is being made much harder by the fact that
> > the console display seems to have gone back to default as a result of the
> > update, so I can't see it anything like properly, even very close to.
> >
> > Well, Testing + PEBKAC = disaster. :-(
> What size does text need to be for you to be able to work with it? 12pt?
> 16pt? 24pt? larger yet?

Depends on so many things.  Contrast.  Clarity.  How much text is jammed how 
close to itself.  How close I can get to the screen.  (I am about 6" away 
from this, which is at the bottom of the screen.  4" away from the monitor at 
the nearest point.  It is 15 point Bitstream Vera Sans, which is an 
exceptionally clear font, and 15 point is a lot larger than, say, 15 point 
Times New Roman.  The text is black on a white background.  It is also a very 
clear monitor.  Clearer than many.)

On the TV screen, ideally I need *at least* 32 point.

And I actually need the paragraph above the sentence above broken up in order 
to be able to read it.  It is too large a block of text, and KMail doesn't 
allow me to spread it out at all.  But I typed it, so I know what it 
says. ;-)