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[trinity-users] Re: [users] installing icecat from source packages

From: J Leslie Turriff via tde-users <ml-migration-agent@...>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:14:08 -0500
On 2020-09-14 20:36:39 William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users wrote:
> On Monday 14 September 2020 18:22:35 E. Liddell wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:01:40 -0700
> >
> > William Morder via tde-users <ml-migration-agent@...>
> > > On a side note, I wonder if we could get a proper, working, up-to-date
> > > version of icecat into the repositories somewhere (as it has
> > > disappeared from Trisquel and others).
> >
> > Why?  It's just a rebrand of Firefox with a few trivial patches, as far
> > as I know. If you find Firefox itself unsatisfactory, try one of the
> > other forks/cousins from the Mozilla family (Pale Moon, Waterfox, or
> > Seamonkey).
> Not so! True, it does look pretty much the same, and to the untrained eye,
> they are about equal. After having used a lot of Mozilla browsers, I can
> tell you for sure that Icecat offers some major differences.
> For one thing, if you use Tork to manage the Tor network, you can watch the
> system requests that go out of your browser. If you have a graphical
> firewall that shows live connections in real time, you can watch what
> requests are sent out over direct connections. Lots of these requests go
> out in Firefox and other browsers, no matter how we might try to stop them.
> Whenever I would simply click on an open tab for a web page (weather, TV
> channels,
> ycombinator, whatever), immediately system calls went out, not only to the
> web page itself, but to other third-parties, despite the fact that I have
> systematically disabled everything of that sort, blocked sites, use a
> modified hosts file, etc.
> Only Icecat blocks tracking of this sort. You don't have to believe me, of
> course; just check it out for yourself. On the other hand, even Icecat
> could be improved in small ways; but I would say that it comes closest to
> actual respect for users, and enabling a user to make the browser behave as
> desired.
> Otherwise, you ought to just collect all your personal information, make it
> neat and orderly, put copies in envelopes, and mail them to Amazon, Google,
> Facebook, and all the rest; because you are just giving it all away, every
> time you open a browser, every single page you load, every tab you click,
> every scroll through the page, every little detail that gives away who you
> are.
> > >I suppose a browser is not really a candidate for
> > > becoming a TDE-Trinity package? but it is a thought, since we already
> > > have Konqueror, which is a web browser as well as a file manager.
> >
> > There's a couple of obvious problems:
> >
> > 1. Firefox and all its forks are GTK-based.  TDE is (T)QT-based.
> >
> > 2. Adopting another Really Huge codebase is the last thing this project
> > needs right now.  If the manpower to work on a browser were available, it
> > would be better to put it to use replacing Konqueror's layout and
> > scripting engines with something more modern.
> Yeah, I sort of expected this answer. I didn't know the technical details,
> but I knew that people who work on mozilla-type browsers usually work on
> the same kinds of things; probably for good reason.
> Still, it would be nice to see Icecat in the respositories.
> > E. Liddell
> I will count you as in the *not interested* category.
> ;-)
> Bill

	Thanks for helping with the icecat installation.

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