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Re: [trinity-users] Repositories for TDE was Re: [trinity-users] Slávek's repository

From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 22:22:00 +0100
On Monday 05 October 2015 21:12:12 Timothy Pearson wrote:
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> > On Mon October 5 2015 11:59:49 Slávek Banko wrote:
> >> ...so the problem comes back to the unavailable of primary server during
> >> the weekend and discussion about vps.
> >
> > VPSs come with a wide range or prices and a wide range of reliabilities
> > and levels of security.
> >
> > I operate one of TDE's mirrors.  It needs a lot of disk space and a lot
> > of bandwidth but it does not need exceptional uptime guarantees and I
> > don't need to run background checks on the host's sysadmins.  So I use
> > a reasonably inexpensive VPS for that.
> >
> > At the other end of the spectrum my business's main server is on a
> > Linode with exceptional toolset, reliability, security, and price.
> >
> > Other services are similarly hosted on VPSs or real servers either in
> > house or at various price points in major data centers.
> >
> > Without wishing to cast any aspersions on vpsfree.cz or anybody else,
> > some of the functions currently hosted by Tim do need significant
> > reliability and security.
> >
> > --Mike
>
> I would like to add briefly that the main TDE servers themselves have an
> uptime of over 99% including downtime for upgrades, etc.; 

Yes, that has been evident.  It was you who raised this particular 
red-herring.  When there is a problem I blame global warming, hurricanes, 
storms, tornadoes, gremlins, a staggeringly unreliable electricity 
infrastructure - but not poor maintenance.

> what is 
> continually failing (and will require a physical move to correct) is the
> connection between the Internet and those servers. 

Again, that has been evident.  See my rant that I just posted!

> While I know many TDE 
> users are from Europe, and therefore are used to much higher levels of
> service (and much higher penetration of decent service levels), the TDE
> project is based in the United States.  Over here, high speed and high
> reliability Internet service is simply unavailable in many locations.

Yes, we know that.  
>
> Trust me when I say the poor service is impacting the profitable end of
> the business co-located with the TDE servers, 

Of course!  The chap I have mentioned several times and I discussed how on 
earth you manage to run a server farm under such awful conditions.

> and as such the entire 
> datacenter is scheduled to be physically moved to a location with much
> better service in the next 3 - 6 months.  As you can imagine, a move of
> this scale takes time; it has been in the planning phase for over 6 months
> now.

Yes, that is obviously major.
>
> Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Understanding, yes.  I am and always have been very grateful for the time and 
effort you and the others have put in.  And very, very grateful to you for 
having rescued KDE3 in the first place.   And am also very patient if e.g. 
bugs take a while to fix.  Or things don't come out (get released) fast.

Patience with this, no.  It must be possible to host all the public facing 
stuff in a country with a decent internet infrastructure.  And we must 
between us be able to make it happen.  

Otherwise it will remain a local, small project.  I cannot persuade numbers of 
non-biased people with lives to lead, that they want to use TDE so much that 
they will put up with the present situation.  I tried to persuade the chap I 
have mentioned.  I failed.  And he _loved_ TDE.  I have endless problems with 
it myself.  And that was large numbers of users.  So depressing.

So - is TDE a local, United States project that a few foreigners are allowed 
to tap in to?  Or is it an international one?  That's come out a bit 
provocative, and I don't mean it to be.  But it cannot be both international 
and unreliable because people just won't wear it.  _I_ got upset and 
frustrated.   And I'll do almost anything to be able to go on using TDE.  (It 
didn't help that things were made a lot worse because I was installing Jessie 
not Wheezy, but that is another story.  systemd related, though probably not 
systemd itself.)

If it is a localised United States project, then we hangers on will hang on 
and be grateful - and I'll consciously stop proselytising.  But may we have 
a "ruling" on this.

Lisi